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How far can you push spelling pronunciation with the current spelling system?
What if every letter in a word had to be pronounced?

Az English iz curently speld, it wvd'nt quait w'rk. The traditional wraiting sistm dvz not asociat letrz with specific saundz 60% ov the taim. Speling pronunciation requairz a functional alfabet - a clir set of corespondens betwin simbolz and saundz. 

Othr langwijez hav consistent corespondences.  English wans had clir correspondences so the ta.sk mait bi simply wan ov restoring the alfabet.  Ther ar thri problemz [1] English haz mor fonimz tha.n ther ar letrz in the alfabet, [2] ther ar tu meny co'd ovrla.ps in TS, a.nd [3] the new co'd haz tu bi clo's enof tu the traditional sistm tu bi red withaut a kiy.

The co'd wd not hav to bi precis, only clo's enof tu bi undrstwd. O'nly tho'z w'rdz tha.t cwd not bi undrstwd hwen saunded out wd hav tu bi respeld.  Ther ar quait a fyu spelingz tha.t ar clo's enof. It wd not bi necesary tu resort tu a sistem a.z radical a.z the wan yuzd hir. 

Som w'rdz wd bi repronounsd rathr than respeld.  For instans, ther wd bi no point in respeling Latin and Greek basd saintific w'rdz.  Thiz wrds wd bi repronaunsd tu coinsaid with international pronunciation. The resulting speling pronuciation wd bi a nu dialect of English.
[idea = ee-day-ah, chaos > kaos = kah-aws]   [written in SPanglic notation]
 
.....  Spelling 
 Pronunciation
  Traditional English Spelling as a base 

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What if each letter could not be associated with more than two sounds?

If every letter had to be pronounced, many silent letters would have to be removed.  The W in write could stay because when pronounced, it would not significantly change pronunciation.  However, the B in debt and the E in have and give, would be cut because they distort the correct pronunciation. 
Notations based on digraphs that could not be resolved into their component sounds would be disqualified.  SPanglic  [Spelling Pronunciation Anglic Saxon] spelling is shown above.

Spelling Pronunciation
Traditional English Spelling [TES] as a base pronunciation

Spelling Pronunciation presumes that people assign a particular sound to each letter.
Every letter has to be pronounced and every letter has to have an assigned sound.

Spelling pronunciation must be based on an alphabet.  To make it work, the English alphabet has to be restored.  Fortunately, English used to have a perfectly good Latin based augmented alphabet. Restoring the Saxon alphabet essentially solves the alphabet problem.

The word has to be pronunced without silent letters and be understood.
Would this not reveal where TES was in error? 
   e.g., where letters should be removed to improve clarity and understanding

The transcription of the poem below into SPanglic shows that it is posible to come up with a notation that preserves the connection between shape and sound.  There are hundreds of such phonemic scripts for English.  All of them respell at least 60% of the words in English.  Some reduce the number of respellings by allowing up to 42 irregular spellings.  SPanglic, shown below, closely corresponds to the International Phonetic Alphabet and international [Latin] spelling conventions.  It is very compact with a minimum of digraphs.  All diphthongs are simple combinations of the component letters.  Yet, it can still be easily read without a key. 

[a.] is the ascii equivalent of [ae]. In informal writing this distinction as well as the distinction between awe and owe [o, o'] would be dropped.  The syllabic letters rlmn would always be pronounced as syllabics:  Not as [ ar el em en ] but as [ 3:r 'l  ''m ''n ]. 

v is revived as a vowel /^/ and used the same way as it is used in SAMPA. ['ap] is the alternate way of transcribing up [vp]. Except at the beginning of a syllable, w and y are vowels: w has the short u sound in hook /u/ and y is /i:/ as in eel.  If ther wasn't such a strong association in English of y with /ai/ [as in fly], y could be consistently used for /i:/  [fi  fai  fo  fvm] 
 

Just look them up - and goose and choose
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword
And do and go and thwart and cart
Come, come, I've hardly made a start! 
                                        -Richard Lederer
Jvst lwk them vp - a.nd gus a.nd chuz
A.nd kork a.nd wrk a.nd card a.nd wor
A.nd font a.nd fr'vnt a.nd wrd a.nd sord, 
A.nd du a.nd go' a.nd thwort a.nd kart - 
com, com, aiv hardly meid 'a start! 
                                             -Richrd Ledrr
Above:  Traditional English Orthography (TO) compared to a proposed consistent phonemic notation for English. In TO,
words that are spelled the same are not pronounced the same. Words that are pronounced the same are not spelled the same.
Complete Poem
links
uu - ways to spell
i: - ways to spell
e - ways to spell
rhyming dict.
Visit these related pages on applied linguistics and rationalized spelling
nU @lfabets for EGliSnew alphabets for English x simplifYd speliG sOsYeti
link to the simplified spelling society, UK, Aston University
american litRasi kWnsL link to the American Literacy Council, New York  simplifYd speliG E-list

spelling ring

If SP were taught in the schools, 

The dictionary never faces this issue.  It provides two spellings TES and a phonemic one.
Spelling reforms want to go with the phonemic spelling but were never able to come up with a notation that was both phonemic and which preserved over 40% of the current traditional spellings.

Other than Mont Follick, who has advocated going back to the Saxon correspondence table.
Since Ellis first proposed a version of New Spelling based on post sound shifted long vowel spellings, there has never been an attempt to return to the pre-vowel shifted long vowels.

Knoweldge of the Saxon grapheme-phoneme correspondence table would make it possible for more people to adopt spelling pronunciation.  It would also quickly indicate what words cannot be pronounced as they are spelled and be understood. 

If spelling pronunciation were taught in the schools, then it would become obvious to everyone what letters were redundant and confusing. 

In Spanglish August would be pronounced ah-oo-goost.

Australia would be ah-oo-strah-lee-ah/uh.

Derby would be ambiguous - Dair-bee or Drr-bee  [ d3rbi or d3:bi ]
If the correct pronunciatioin is deemed to be darby, then it would have to be respelled.

Day would be pronounced dah-ee.

The rule in Spanglish is that if spelling pronunciation can be understood, then
respelling is not required. 

Spanglish is an extremely broad, broad transcription. 

If there was a base dialect, it would be the dialect referenced by TES.
The TES dialect probably does not exist.  It probably does not match the way anyone
talks with the possible exception of australians. 

Does this make any sense?

Valerie asked why I focused on the long vowels in Spanglish ah eh/ey ee aw oo rather than the short vowels, ae, eh, ih, ah, w, uh

The reason is that these are the vowels that shifted the most.  [see David Kelly's table].

Spanglish is ambiguous, the six vowels reference 12 sounds.
The short sounds associated with the letters have changed very little since Anglo Saxon times.

short-long-dif-        rr combination 
---------------
ae  ah     ai               ah+rr = are       ah+ee = eye
eh   rr  *grrl=girl       eh+rr = air      *Eric
ih   ee                       ih+rr = ear      *irrigate
ah  awe-owe            awe+rr=or       awe+w = owe
w   oo  wr                yu+rr = your
uh  uh  uhr                uh+uh = abut
------------
 
The West Saxon Standard - Englisc
 
a
æ
e
i
o
u
'r èr
long
ah
eh-ah
eh-ey
eel
awe-oh
hoop
her
short
ago
æsh
ej-edge
ill
awe*
hook
othèr
accents
à
 æ
è
 ì
ò ó
ù
à è
.. Why make such big changes as A=ah, I=eel, O=awe, U=ooze?  The main reason is that this set of correspondences allows learners to use spelling pronunciation.  Pronouncing all A's as ah produces understandable results.  Pronouncing Ha /ha/ as Hay /hei/ doesn't quite work.  In Saxon, [hate] is pronounced hah-tuh not heit.  [hat] is a sound between ha and heh which uses a new letter [æ

Pronouncing all o's as awe unless in the terminal position also works better than other alternatives. 

To fully restore the English alphabet, only two sounds can be associated with each vowel letter.

SUMMARY

  • How far can we push the idea that words should be pronounced as they are spelled?
  • How far can you push a TES based spelling pronunciation?
  • Would it be to our advantage [i.e., would it advance spelling reform] 

  •      to advocate the teaching of spelling pronunciation?
  • Spelling Pronunciation presumes that people assign a particular sound to each letter.
  • Every letter has to be pronounced and every letter has to have an assigned sound.

  • There could be two sounds assinged to the vowels and to a few consonants.
    At the max, we would want no more than ten exceptions (or rules) 
    e.g., c can be s before i and e  city center cycle [pron. seekl]. 
  • The word has to be pronunced without silent letters and be understood.
  • Would this not reveal where TES was in error? 

  •      e.g., where letters should be removed to improve clarity and understanding
     
  • Should the long and combined vowel sounds be the pre-vowel shift sound or the post vowel shift sound?

  •  
  • What is the base pronunciation for TES?  Australian?

  • Some words cannot be pronounced as spelled and be understood.
    There are words that would be easier to repronounce than respell
    There would be no point in respelling international spellings just to acknowledge the English mispronunciation.


[Michael wrote] There is also another, simpler and easier way to go. How about trying
to improve the relationship of phonetics to spelling from the other
end. Instead of changing the spelling - change the phonetics... For
many words the solution is simple, for example: let the letter "g" be
always hard, as in many European languages, or always soft. The main
point is to give it a single pronunciation. If "get" and "give" can
have a hard "g" then why not "genetics" and "gin"?
Also "geography", "geranium" and all technical words. It is a partial
solution but the price is right - free. If you insist on the other
pronunciation then change the letter to "j", as you do in "loaf -
loaves". For example "jin", "majik", "fyujitiv". Easy and neat.
Admittedly this is only a partial solution, but it's a good start.
 

Lvky Luk lwkt laik a li.tl lidr.

With gwd eir in hiz seilz, Eric d' red ro'd d' weivz tu vinland.

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What word might we spell GOLOBCH 
without transgressing the "rules" of
conventional English orthography?

>Answer: JERK -

>G /j/ as in MARGARINE
OLO /ur/ as in COLONEL
B /nothing/ as in DOUBT
CH /k/ as in CHRISTMAS

Dats a gud wan!

Ai invented wan for brazilian portuguese, it was MBAÇQLLA for MUSCULO
/muskulu/ (or offen /musklu/):

MB as in TAMBEM /tameng/
A as in LIGAM /ligung/
Ç is /s/ ennyway
Q as in QUANDO /kw^ndu/
L as in NACIONAL /nasionau/
L normal
A as in LIGAM /ligung/

Of cors yu can du quait a fiu of dis dings in portugis as wel as in
brazilian portugis, but never as meny as in inglish.
 
 
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